My Challenge
and Direct Questions to Jochan Katz!
For
those who may still not be certain about the Christian Bible or the Bible at large,
I must inform you that neither the Jews and nor the Christians can present any
evidence establishing through the authentic chain of unbroken record or
transmission that the Bible in general or Jewish Bible and Christian Bible were
ever preserved and survived. And the current Bible books are the same as they
were inspired or revealed? If anyone can
prove this provided that all the Judeo-Christian scholars unanimously accept
that proof, I will pay $ 10,000.00 as reward to that individual, group, of else?
What I am about to present
below is taken from Christian sources including KJV Bible that will give a
shocking surprise to the readers. Please feel free to verify all the sources
and references.
Email to Jochan Katz!
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Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:24:18 -0800 (PST) |
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"This is me:)"
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Direct questions to Jochan Katz |
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"Jochen Katz" <jokatz@gmx.de> |
Greetings
Mr. Jochan Katz
I like to know few things
about the Gospel that Jesus was allegedly preaching, such as:
Where is that Gospel?
Where and how it was preserved, please support your response with authentic
chain of unbroken transmission?
What is the story behind these alleged Gospels according to Mark, Matthew, Luke
and John?
Where we can find the explicit proof with authentic unbroken chain of
transmission that these four individuals were actually disciples of Jesus?
Christians’ record itself testifies that these four so-called gospels were
written generations after Jesus. SO WHAT WAS JESUS PREACHING IN HIS LIFETIME,
while these gospels were not in existence?
If anything that you claim to be inspired and/or coming from Jesus and Paul,
please present the evidence that it was in fact preserved with authentic chain
of unbroken transmission?
Please do not send in any
links from your web site or else. Since you have nothing there except material
to stupefy people. I like to have answers from you as a fact of acceptance.
Nothing less than that will be accepted.
Regards
SBW
Two responses by Jochan Katz!
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"Jochen Katz"
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Mr. SBW, greetings
in the name of the Lord. I have a
problem with your "request". I never refuse to answer to questions
coming from a serious seeker of truth. However, your
first sentence after your list of "questions" gives it away that you
are not seeking truth. You demand: Please do not send in any links from your web site or else. ... I like to have answers from you ... Nothing less than that will be accepted. Many Muslims claim "seek knowledge even if you have to
go to China to
find it" i.e. wherever you can find it. And this is the sign of a true
seeker, he wants the truth and does not care whether it is a
source "of his liking" or not. Your
demand indicates that you seek to get into an argument with me as a
person, but are not actually interested to get good answers to your
questions. If it were the truth, if it were good solid answers for your
questions that you are seeking then you would be glad to be
pointed to webpages or books that answer your questions. But you do
not want those, i.e. you are not desperate to get answers. But if you
are not interested in the answers, but in getting into an
argument with me personally, then I have to say: I am only interested
to invest time and effort in answering people who seek
truth. Thus, the discussion ends right here. May the
Lord give you a true thirst for truth, a desire
for the truth that is not satisfied with superficial
answers. Jochen
Katz |
Email
sent by brother Hesham Azmy to SBW & Jochan Katz!
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"Hesham Azmy"
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"This is me:)" <sbwus@yahoo.com>,
"Jochen Katz" <jokatz@gmx.de> |
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Re: Direct questions to Jochan Katz |
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Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:27:35 +0200 |
Very legitimate questions, I believe.
peace,
Hesham
http://www.geocities.com/noorullahwebsite/
Jochan
Katz’s response!
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"Jochen Katz"
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"Hesham Azmy"
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> Very legitimate questions, I believe. I don't have a problem with the question, but with the attitude. Jochen Katz |
Response by brother Hesham Azmy to Jochan Katz!
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"Hesham Azmy"
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"Jochen Katz" <jokatz@gmx.de>,
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Mr. Jochen, this is
a challenge not a "request". Seeking knowledge or "truth"
from you is quite irrelevant. peace, |
We find
excessive use and abuse of the word “mantra” at website “answering {assaulting}-islam”
by Jochan Katz, Sam Shamoun, Silas and others. The following facts will shatter
anti-Islaam “mantra” but will expose their counterfeit Bible and their perjuries
as well.
Let me start claiming that
Gospel of Christ existed in the time of disciples of Jesus. The evidence of
this we find in the testimony by “Eichhorn” and many other German scholars.
Also scholars like Leclerc, Grabe, Michael, Lessing, Niemeyer and Marsh concur
this opinion.
Even
Paul said in II Cor, 11:12-13!
11:12 But what I do, that I will
do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein
they glory, they may be found even as we.
11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves
into the apostles of Christ.
Adam Clarke under his comments of this verse said:
“They falsely claimed to be the Apostles of Christ while in fact
they were not Apostles. They used to deliver sermons and take pains in worship
but they aimed at nothing but their personal interests.”
We read the following in the same context in the
First Epistle of John:
I John 4:1
4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Here John also joined Paul in admitting
the presence of false prophets during their time. Adam Clarke made the following
comments on I John 4:1 cited above:
“In
the past every teacher used to claim that he received inspiration from Holy
Ghost, because every true prophet received inspiration. The “word” spirit at
this place signifies the man claiming that he was under the effect of the
spirit. Put them therefore to test. Such preachers should be examined with
arguments. His phrase “many false prophets” refers to those who were not
inspired by the Holy Ghost especially from among the Jews.”
At this point I like to remind the Muslim readers to note
that how fraudulently these Christian clergy/missionary take the above verse (I
John 4:1) out of context and some time apply on Muhammad (SAW), which in fact, according
to Bible commentary and Christian scholars is about their own con artists and
false prophets among their own.
Historian Mosheim on page 65 in volume. 1 of his history (printed in 1832) said:
“Among
the followers of Plato and Pythagoras it was considered not only admissible but
credible to tell a lie and deceive others in the cause of truth. As is
understood from the ancient books, the first to indulge in this practice were
the Jews of Egypt, in the time before Christ. This unholy act was later on
borrowed by the Christians, a fact which is clear from the many books that were
falsely attributed to great personalities.”
It can be understood now from the above quotation that why a
large number of false books were written and falsely attributed to others in
the name of religion, cause and truth. That is where all these gospels
according to ???? Came into existence based on sheer fabrication.
Eusebuis
said in chapter 18 of volume 4 of his history:
“Justin
the Martyr related many of the prophecies of Christ and claimed that the Jews
excluded them from the Holy Scriptures.”
Watson
also said on page 32 of volume 2 of his book:
“I
have no trace of doubt about the passages that Justin quoted in his polemic
against a Jew, that, in the time of Justin and Irenaeus, they were part of the
Hebrew and Greek versions of the Bible, while today they no longer exist.
Especially the text that Justin claimed was part of the Book of Jeremiah. Sylbergius
in his annotation of Justin, and Dr. Grabe in his annotation of
Irenaeus, pointed out that this prophecy was before Peter when he wrote the
text of chapter 4 verse 6 of his epistle.”
Testimony of a Jewish Scholar Reverted to
Islaam!
During the time of Sultan Bayazid of Turkey (son of Great Sultan Muhammad Fateh, who defeated and
destroyed Roman Empire forever and purify Turkey from Mushrikeen and earned the
Jannah as predicted by Muhammad (SAW) a Jewish scholar embraced Islaam. He was given the Islaamic name
Abdu’s Salam, who wrote a book named Risalatu’l-Hidayah (The book of Guidance) repudiating the
Jews. In the 3rd part of this book he said:
“The
most celebrated of all the commentaries on the Pentateuch (Torah) is the one
known as Talmud, which was written in the period of Ptolemy who reigned some
time after the period of Nebuchadnezzar. This commentary contains the following
story. It happened that once Ptolemy asked some Jewish scholars to bring the
Pentateuch into his presence. The scholars were frightened, because the King
disbelieved in some of its injunctions. Seventy scholars gathered
together and what they did was change those things that he (Ptolemy) did not
believe in. Now when they admit to having done this, how can one trust a single
verse of such a book?”
The Rees Encyclopedia under the entry of “Bible” in volume 4 contains the
following statement:
“Presenting
the argument in favor of those versions of Old Testament that were written from
1000 to 1400, he said that all the versions written in the seventh and the
eighth centuries had been destroyed by the order of the Jewish Council because
they were contrary to their own versions. In view of this event Watson
also said that the versions which were complied six hundred years ago are not
available and versions written seven hundred years or eight hundred years ago
do not exist all.”
The above admission is from Dr. Kennicott, the most trusted
scholar and author of the Old Testament.
History tells us that it is impossible
for any record or document many have survived under following calamities:
1. In the year 64, which was the time of Nero,
Peter, his wife and Paul were murdered in Rome.
2. Emperor Domitian, who like the emperor Nero was not
fond of the Christian faith issued an order to kill the Christians. This
massacre seriously endangered Christianity leading to exile of John and murder
of Philip Clement.
3. In the year 101 Emperor Trajan (Trajan ruled for
18 years) murders of the Bishop of Corinth (Ignatius), Bishop of Rome (Clement)
and the Bishop of Jerusalem (Simon) took place.
4. During the reign of emperor Septimius thousands
of Christians were killed in Egypt alone. Similarly in France and Carthage
Christians were also massacred in large number to the extent that they thought
the time of “antichrist” had arrived.
5. Another large massacre of Christian is recorded
in the year 161 by the hands of emperor Marcus Antonius. This lasted for a
period of ten years killing large number of Christians in the East and West.
6. In the year 237 emperor Maximus started killing
the Christians. Almost all the Christian scholars were killed at his orders.
The Popes Pontian and Fabian were also killed. This elimination of Christian
scholars made emperor Maximus to rule with ease.
7. The year 253 was the period of emperor Decius, who had firmly
resolved to root out the Christian faith and obliterate all signs of its
existence. His orders resulted in great number of Christians abandoned their
faith. Egypt, Africa, Italy and cities in the East were main target of this
eradication.
8. During the year 274 the emperor Aurelian issued
orders for killing the Christian, but himself was killed before much loss of
Christian lives.
9. A great massacre of Christian started in the
years 302. The city of Phrygia was burned to the ground leaving no one alive.
10. Famous Roman emperor Diocletian ruled from
284-305. He persecuted the Christians because he felt the increasing power of
the Church endangered his kingdom. Diocletian obliterated every trace of
sacred books, demolished the Churches, burned all books, and prevented
Christians from worshipping in the form of congregation. Extensive details of
these can be found in the history books. Lardner said on page 22 of the 7th volume of
his book:
“Diocletian passed orders
that churches be abolished and books be burnt.”
He
further said:
“Eusebius has given an
eye-witness account of the event in a painful tone, “I
have seen with my own eye the demolition of the churches and the burning of the
sacred books in public places.”
The reason why I have cited these historical accounts in brief is
to show that there is no way during that era of Christianity, this slowly
growing cult in small number could have been able to sustain all kind of loses,
but still manage to preserve their sacred scripture; knowing the fact that
Injeel of Îsâ Ibn Maryam was never documented. Gospel of Christ (whatever it
was, because no one seems to know much about it; except that it existed)
stands no chance of survival and preservation under these historical accounts.
Jesus himself caused the loss of his message according to the
Bible!
There are countless examples of ambiguities found in the
Christian Bible in the statements reportedly uttered by Jesus. These
ambiguities have caused too much confusion that even Jesus’ family; disciples
and people around him were not able to understand his message unless Jesus
himself elucidated it. But there are a considerable number of statements, which
remained to be obscure and ambiguous. Let me quote few of them to make my
point.
In John 3:3-4 we read the following:
3:3 Jesus answered and said
unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he
cannot see the kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he
enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:10 Jesus answered and said unto
him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
The above reference shows that Jesus was a master of confusion and
he was not a good teacher since he left his own message unexplained. But
something like this is unthinkable for Îsâ Ibn Maryam.
In John chapter 6 we read that Jesus is addressing the Jews in
following fashion:
6:48 I am that bread of life.
6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat
thereof, and not die.
6:51 I am the living bread, which came down from heaven: if any man eats of
this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh,
which I will give for the life of the world.
6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give
us his flesh to eat?
6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat
the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I
will raise him up at the last day.
6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in
him.
6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that
eateth me, even he shall live by me.
6:60 Many therefore of his
disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear
it?
6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto
them, Doth this offend you?
6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words
that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the
beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me,
except it were given unto him of my Father.
6:66 From that time many of his disciples went
back, and walked no more with him.
Christians make a big deal out of this unexplained part of the
Bible, especially Catholics. But Jesus never elaborated what he was talking
about even many of his disciples abandoned him? It raises another question
that how than they can still be called twelve when one betrayed him and many
among the rest of the eleven abandoned him?
Few more examples of Jesus’ confused, incomplete, inconclusive
and ambiguous teachings that Jesus never elucidated can be found in:
John 8:21-22; John 8:51-52; John 11:11-14; Matthew 16:6-12; Luke
8:52-53; Luke 9:44-45.
But Jesus’
statement in Luke 18:31-34 tops it all!
18:31 Then he
took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem,
and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall
be accomplished.
18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully
entreated, and spitted on:
18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he
shall rise again.
18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from
them, neither knew they the things, which were spoken.
It is the second mention but the disciples still did not understand this saying even the
above statement has no ambiguity in it. The disciples being Jews or Gentiles or
combination have heard from the Jews that Christ would be the king. Now at the
appearance of Christ (?) and after embracing his faith, the disciples were
looking forward to the time when they would sit on the royal throne with
Christ. Their firm belief was also based because Jesus himself had promised
them that they would sit on twelve thrones, and each of them would rule over
the people of the one tribe of the Israelites. This false promise of Jesus and his claim raises the same
question again that I posed earlier: how than they can still be called twelve when one betrayed him and
many among the rest of the eleven abandoned him? Also after many-abandoned Jesus that leaves much less than
twelve, so who will rule the rest of the twelve tribes of Israelites?
Conclusion!
The brief account presented above from the history and the
Bible lead us to believe that there was no attempt to preserve the Bible and/or
any book of the Bible. In fact we don’t even have an authentic chain of
unbroken transmission that can establish today’s fabricated Bible assembled on
faded memory of actual teachings and/or on hearsay. Another problem Christians’
fabricated Bible has the Jesus talked too much, perhaps to show off or else,
but most of the time he never elucidated what he uttered as we find in current
gospels? So how one can rely of such religion and book? No wonder there are 94,
000 sects and 250,000 denominations with 100s of Bible versions. Historical
record and Bible (briefly cited
above) itself testify that it is impossible that the claims of Bible to be
inspired word of God be true. Would you attend the class of that teacher who
never teaches you and/or never explain what he is talking about? Do you think that you
stand a chance to pass that class? It is
the same with Christianity; you will flunk the class and will never make it.
Islaam is the ONLY solution for your salvation.
Also read:
My challenge and
people on the RUN.